Thursday, September 02, 2004

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Thursday 09/02/04 11:15 AM (NEW!)


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We always prefer war on our own terms to peace on someone else's. ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Second Neurotic's Notebook, 1966
Thread Title: Final Post by Dr Tax - and a personal message to Bill Lindala
Created On Thursday 09/02/04 8:08 AM


Dr Tax
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Thursday 09/02/04 8:08 AM (NEW!)


I posted the same post on an AoC thread:

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I thought I would chime in on this too, since I ws probably more instrumental in trying to get a reasonable dialogue going between CI.com and AoC than anyone else.

I am very disppointed with the way that BOTH sides have reduced the intended dialogue into one big collection call from the collectors (just pay up being the recurring theme) and the consumers (hell, no being the recurring theme) and the complete breakdown of civility on both sides. YES, we can agree to disagree, but for some that was not enough. It's DIALOGUE that will open doors, not agendas. Unfortunately, BOTH sides are guilty. I guess I am too, for being so optimistic to think that civility and constructive purposes would be enough to bring the two sides together in an effort to find some workable common grounds.

To the Mods on AoC I hold special contempt. Bill Lindala came to AoC with the same agenda I had in this experiment - to lower the shouting level to a dialogue so that all could prosper. The Mods here threatened him with banning because he spoke his mind fearlessly and consistently. Bill and I even agreed occasionally! True, this is a consumers board - but that does not mean the Mods should limit all posts to pro-consumer posts. In 1970 I was 3rd in New York State Intercollegiate Debate, and I never saw a debate where one side was told they could not present their case. The Mods here have done that will Bill Lindala. I have been to CI and have read their PM's to him, so don't try to deny it. To Bill I offer my apologies for the treatment he has gotten from AoC. I am ashamed of it.

I am hereby declaring this experiment a failure. Let the name-calling, bashing and incivility continue to everyone's detriment. Consumers, continue to expect the same-old same-old from collectors, and collectors you can expect the same-old same-old from consumers, peppered by occasional litigation.

An I take the blame for that too. I used (some would say perfected, but I doubt that description is accurate) the use of litigation as a credit repair tool and showed others how to do it. I get e-mails and PM's daily from consumers detailing to me how it has worked for them. I thought the impending flood of litigation from consumers would help the collectors to soften up their approach and realize that violating consumers' rights under law would only get them sued; that the consumers could use the Courts as a tool of imposing consumers' wills just as collectors for decades have used the Courts as a tool of imposing collector's wills.

Since I am from the consumer side of this coin, I feel I must make a choice. Since a dialogue is impossible because of hotheads on both sides of the aisle poisoning the air, I will no longer post on CI.com. Just as Robert E Lee reluctantly chose his home over the greater good, I feel I must do the same.

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So the little crybaby decides to take his toys and go back home, eh? Well, good riddance to bad rubbish.
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These are a compilation from the stats for the month of August 2004. These statistics reveal a whole lot about the collection industry as a whole and how they react to certain situations. What is very relevant is that it is obvious that while Bill Lindala and the rest of the gang down at the "OK Corral " are busy with their daily mud slinger contests, they are ignoring some pretty obvious facts of life which are doing them an awful lot of damage.

And those facts is that while the dolts from the collection agencies are busy trying to gun down such scalawags as the infamous Steve Katz aka Dr. Tax, aka Flyingifr, aka several other aliases, Picantel and a few more of the renegades from Art of Credit, people who might otherwise have been their customers or people misguidedly trying to find the debt collectors in order to pay them and clear up their credit reports are diligently searching for them with little or no results.

Now that has got to be a revolting set of developments for the collections industry as a whole because while the fighting continues on the biggest collection industry message board over who is doing those fine upstanding debt collectors the most damage, Creditnet or Art of Credit, they are obviously ignoring the one who is doing them a whole lot more damage than either of those other two hot-air driven forums put together.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg because this comes from statistics generated from only the first 15 days or so that this blog has been in existance!!! Just wait till I get the time to really turn up the heat on them.

While Picantel and the boys are busy trying to convince them that some joker calling himself LizardKing and proclaiming that he has filed a bunch of small claims cases on debt collectors is doing them some kind of harm. The little crook even admits that his suits don't have any real substance to them and that many are actually outright frauds but even so, just how much damage can lizardking actually do? Almost none. At least not compared to what this blog is doing to them behind the scenes.




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